Legislature(2003 - 2004)

05/15/2003 09:45 PM House HES

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HCR 19-ALASKA HISTORY CURRICULUM                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON announced  that the next order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE CONCURRENT  RESOLUTION NO. 19, Urging  implementation of an                                                               
Alaska history curriculum in public schools.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0249                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAPSNER,  as sponsor  of  HCR  19, explained  the                                                               
purpose  of  this  resolution and  answered  questions  from  the                                                               
members.  She  told the committee this legislation  has created a                                                               
bit of consternation  and that fact is a puzzlement  to her.  She                                                               
said this resolution is different  from another resolution before                                                               
the  body.    She  said  the other  resolution  asks  the  school                                                               
districts  to  look at  fourth  grade  Alaska history,  and  this                                                               
resolution asks  the board  of education to  look at  Alaska high                                                               
school students and their Alaska  history requirements.  She said                                                               
she hopes  both resolutions  pass because  she believes  they are                                                               
both worthy of consideration.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0307                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER  explained that HCR  19 asks the  board of                                                               
education by  regulation to implement  a requirement  that Alaska                                                               
seniors  have  a  stand-alone,   one-semester  course  in  Alaska                                                               
history or an  integrated course that school  districts can weave                                                               
into their  already existing curriculum.   This  resolution would                                                               
allow  for a  lot  of  local discretion  on  the  part of  school                                                               
districts.   In 2002, Senator  Ted Stevens furnished a  grant for                                                               
Alaska history.   The  total of  the grant  was $397,400  and was                                                               
awarded to  the Alaska Humanities Forum.   A portion of  it would                                                               
go   to  curriculum   development  and   a  portion   toward  the                                                               
development of  textbooks.   The grant was  approved by  the U.S.                                                               
Department of  Education and signed  by President George  Bush in                                                               
2002,  and the  Alaska Humanities  Forum is  preparing a  project                                                               
team  to develop  the Alaska  history text  and curriculum.   The                                                               
project is  headed by  Marjorie Menzi who  is former  employee of                                                               
the state Department of Education  and a former teacher.  Senator                                                               
Stevens made  it clear to  the legislature that he  believes this                                                               
is  very important  and wants  to  see Alaska  history taught  in                                                               
Alaska's schools.   Most  states have  [a state  history course],                                                               
but Alaska does not.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAPSNER mentioned  a partial  list of  supporters                                                               
including:     Commonwealth   North,  Alaska   Humanities  Forum,                                                               
Association   of    School   Boards,   Association    of   School                                                               
Administrators, and  many more.  Representative  Kapsner told the                                                               
committee that she thinks both  her resolution and Representative                                                               
Gatto's resolution are outstanding and  hopes they both will pass                                                               
the  legislature.    She  said she  believes  both  fourth  grade                                                               
students  and high  school students  should have  the benefit  of                                                               
learning about Alaska's history.   These are good resolutions and                                                               
worthy of discussion and consideration.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0372                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTO  asked  Representative  Kapsner  if  Alaska                                                               
history is currently taught in Bethel.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAPSNER  responded  that  it is  taught  in  most                                                               
school  districts,  but not  all  districts.    It is  taught  at                                                               
different  levels.    Some  school  districts  teach  it  at  the                                                               
elementary  level, but  this resolution  asks  the Department  of                                                               
Education to  make it a high  school requirement to be  taught in                                                               
either the  junior or  senior year.   She  said she  believes the                                                               
Lower Kuskokwim School District does  require some form of Alaska                                                               
history  in high  school.   It may  be the  Alaska Native  Claims                                                               
Settlement Act or another option.   She told the committee it was                                                               
an elective when she was going through school.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO asked  if Alaska history is  required in all                                                               
of its  elementary schools.   He said he  believes it is  a state                                                               
requirement  to  have  state history,  U.S.  history,  and  world                                                               
history.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER  responded that she  is not sure  what the                                                               
elementary school level  requirements are.  She  said her primary                                                               
focus is  on high school  requirements because, as  a legislator,                                                               
she believes  there are kids  graduating from high school  who do                                                               
not understand some basic things  about Alaska before they get to                                                               
the  ballot box.    For example,  she said  it  is important  for                                                               
students  to  know  about  the  permanent  fund,  permanent  fund                                                               
dividend, subsistence, and other things.   She said she is hoping                                                               
that school districts  and the Department of  Education will look                                                               
at standardizing  high school students'  graduation requirements.                                                               
The Alaska  Municipal League has  said they  would like to  see a                                                               
civics component included in graduation  requirements, as this is                                                               
not a  requirement for Alaska.   Representative Kapsner commented                                                               
that  many people  are unaware  that  this is  not a  requirement                                                               
because they moved here from another state.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0558                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  told the committee that  the school board                                                               
[board of  education] has already  drafted a two-volume  set that                                                               
could  be  the basis  for  this  curriculum.   These  books  were                                                               
commissioned in  1989 or 1990  and even  though they will  not be                                                               
sufficient  for what  this resolution  is requiring,  he said  he                                                               
does not believe this is going to  be a huge cost.  He noted that                                                               
there are  two questions  that need  to be  answered.   The first                                                               
question is  how this material  will be covered in  one semester.                                                               
It will  be very intensive.   The other  question is the  cost of                                                               
putting a book  together.  The problem here, he  said, is that it                                                               
is  an unfunded  mandate.   Since much  of the  work is  [already                                                               
completed], some  of the costs could  be saved.  He  asked if the                                                               
sponsor  would see  to it  that the  prior work  was not  done in                                                               
vain.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0670                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER  responded that  Senator Stevens  has made                                                               
an  appropriation that  would cover  a majority  of those  costs.                                                               
Last  year,  before that  appropriation  was  made, a  number  of                                                               
different  state organizations  felt so  committed to  getting an                                                               
Alaska curriculum  in high  school that they  offered to  pay for                                                               
it.  The  complication came when trying to show  it in the fiscal                                                               
note.   It  so rarely  happens  that people  are so  enthusiastic                                                               
about getting something done that  they are willing to contribute                                                               
to  it.    That  offer  still stands.    Many  school  districts,                                                               
including the  Anchorage School District, recently  mandated that                                                               
their  high  school students  have  a  one semester,  stand-alone                                                               
course.   They  are in  the process  of developing  a curriculum.                                                               
Carol Comeau  [Superintendent of  the Anchorage  School District]                                                               
has offered that curriculum to the state.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON asked if there is  an estimate in what it would cost                                                               
to produce a book.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER replied that she  does not know, but there                                                               
is  also  the  consideration  that  the  school  districts  might                                                               
integrate  components  of  the  curriculum  into  other  classes.                                                               
Commissioner of  Education, Shirley  Holloway, envisioned  that a                                                               
CD ROM  could be made  available to  teachers so they  could pull                                                               
lesson plans  out of the curriculum  to include in U.S.  or world                                                               
history  classes.   For  example, if  there  is discussion  about                                                               
exploration,  then the  section about  Russians exploring  Alaska                                                               
could  be integrated  into world  history.   She reiterated  that                                                               
there are about  20 organizations on a partial list  she has that                                                               
have offered to help pay for this class.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0807                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WOLF  commented that  he finds it  surprising that                                                               
Alaska  history is  not a  requirement.   In 1978,  Kenai Central                                                               
High School taught  Alaska history from textbooks, so  he said he                                                               
knows the literature is there to be used.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 0871                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER  responded that  there are  numerous books                                                               
available.   There  are some  recent  publications including  Dr.                                                               
Steve Haycock's book;  however, it was written  for college level                                                               
classes.  She said that she  believes the sooner this book is put                                                               
together   the  better,   because  there   are  members   of  the                                                               
constitutional  convention who  are still  alive -  such as  John                                                               
Coghill and  Vic Fischer - who  would be a wonderful  resource in                                                               
putting this book together.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0912                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO  commented that books on  Alaska history are                                                               
available everywhere.   The problem he  has is that it  will be a                                                               
requirement.  If required at a  high school level it means giving                                                               
up  something.    Representative  Gatto said  that  in  the  high                                                               
schools where  he has  been there are  no times  available during                                                               
the  day  when there  is  an  empty  classroom and  an  available                                                               
teacher.   This  class would  have to  replace an  elective.   He                                                               
pointed out  that some kids  are intent  on going to  college and                                                               
when  they produce  their transcripts  for the  college it  could                                                               
mean that  the student has 21  credits plus Alaska history  or 21                                                               
credits and  physics.   That extra science  or math  course could                                                               
give these students an edge over  someone else.  By requiring the                                                               
course,  according to  No Child  Left Behind  Act (NCLB)  then it                                                               
will be necessary to have highly qualified teachers.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO indicated  that it is a  difficult time [for                                                               
school districts].  For instance,  at Colony High School they are                                                               
giving up sports  and, in fact, just discharged  two coaches from                                                               
the middle school.  They  have also eliminated the music program.                                                               
Representative  Gatto questioned  if  asking schools  to take  on                                                               
another subject at a time when  they are being asked to eliminate                                                               
programs they  have previously had  is something  the legislature                                                               
wants to  do.   He asked  if it  makes sense  to simply  make the                                                               
subject available rather than mandatory.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1044                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   KAPSNER  agreed   with  Representative   Gatto's                                                               
points.   She said she  spent a lot  of time worrying  about that                                                               
issue, especially  in small  schools where  there is  one teacher                                                               
instructing  in every  subject.   That is  why the  provision was                                                               
added that  this does  not have  to be a  stand-alone class.   It                                                               
could be integrated into U.S. or world history.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1070                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA asked  Representative  Kapsner to  clarify                                                               
that the resolution encourages the  use of modules to insert into                                                               
existing  programs.   For  example, a  history  course or  civics                                                               
course taught by  a certified teacher could have  a portion added                                                               
that would merely  bring in additional material  to compliment an                                                               
existing class.  She asked if that is correct.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER  responded that  that is exactly  what she                                                               
envisions;  however,  she  pointed  out   that  this  is  just  a                                                               
resolution,  so  it  would  be   entirely  up  to  the  board  of                                                               
education.   She said her hope  is that it could  be an either/or                                                               
situation and  the modules  could be inserted.   She  pointed out                                                               
that  the language  in the  resolution does  not specify  that it                                                               
funds  a standards  based curriculum  for Alaska  history through                                                               
the  efforts  of  the  Alaska  Humanities  Forum.    However,  it                                                               
requests  the board  of education  to require  by regulation  the                                                               
equivalent of  at least one semester  of Alaska history.   So, it                                                               
could be  a stand-alone  class or woven  into an  existing class.                                                               
She reiterated that the resolution says  on page 2, line 21, "the                                                               
equivalent of at least one semester".                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1172                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON told  the committee  he is  also concerned                                                               
about the  displacement of other  classes.  The students  do have                                                               
full schedules  and it is  hard to add anything  to the day.   He                                                               
said he  believes that the  board of education and  the districts                                                               
will be able to sort this  out.  Representative Seaton said he is                                                               
willing to see the bill move out of committee.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WOLF  said he agrees with  Representative Seaton's                                                               
comments.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1201                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTO commented  that if  the board  of education                                                               
requires this by regulation, the  districts have no choice but to                                                               
find time during the day to  make the equivalent of one semester,                                                               
either  in one  stand-alone class  for that  semester, which  the                                                               
schools  may not  have  available, or  by  incorporating it  into                                                               
another class in two half  semesters and giving up something else                                                               
for  two half  semesters.   Representative  Gatto  said it  would                                                               
really  make him  feel better  about this  resolution if  he knew                                                               
what [would be given] up.  He  said he does not believe the board                                                               
of education or the school districts know what that would be.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1240                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER  responded that  she does  not know.   She                                                               
asked  Representative Gatto  from  what state  he graduated  high                                                               
school.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO responded that he  graduated from a New York                                                               
high school.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER  asked him  if his  school required  a New                                                               
York history class.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO  said he has  no idea.   It was in  the last                                                               
millennium.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  told the  committee that  these questions  could be                                                               
further explored in the House Special Committee on Education.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  moved to  report HCR  19 out  of committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.  There being no objection,  HCR 19 was reported out of the                                                               
House Health, Education and Social Services Standing Committee.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                

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